Huh…my favorites are all of the evils

They would rather everything, everyone die before giving a single stolen penny back to the people, even if that means they also die

The only hope is when things take a turn, they take a turn in our favor. And I don’t hold much hope for that, we’ve been at war and the rest of the country is pretending there isn’t one

*conservatives can’t afford his cars

Had to correct it

It annoys me that new trek got wrapped up in this discourse because my dislike of it is because of the image above

Old trek was super “woke” and optimistic, I see new trek as too focused on war and it paints the future as though they never achieved luxury space communism free of scarcity

Far more likely there is nothing in front of the ship and riker knows his ass is about to fire some consequence free lasers. He derives great pleasure from the reaction or lack of reaction of the crew on the bridge as he continues to chat about unrelated things

I agree with the concept that electoral politics will not bring us the change we want but disagree with the notion that it isn’t beneficial to vote for lesser evil.

We exist in both paradigms. The worse evil does directly impact our lives, this isn’t debatable especially with Trump, so it makes sense to vote for lesser evil. Leftists are correct the lesser evil voting does not change the status quo (ratchet theory) but I view it as incorrect for leftists to moralize the act of voting to the point that if you vote you are not a leftist

It’s a tool and revolution is easier when you aren’t under threat of being sent to a concentration camp. These are issues of tactics not virtue

I was with you but then you said vote green?

If you’re going to vote, vote against the Republican party. If you want change from status quo, the ballot box isn’t where it will happen

It’s a psyop

They appeal to leftists by saying electoralism won’t bring revolution, which is true… But then say don’t vote.

Makes no sense to me. Use any lever you have. You can advocate revolution and pull the lever for lesser evil. It reduces the concept to black and white thinking while appealing to people’s sense of self righteousness and laziness.

The same tactics and arguments are deployed on maga, only they’re encouraged to vote

I kinda don’t care about hearts and minds. Let them know you dropped them for that reason, the scorn is enough. They’re allowed to be maga it just can’t be without consequences

Why give money to bad people when you could support good people? It’s a simple calculus. Remember it’s not that they just so happen to be conservative, these are people who opted in to advertise that they are bad people.

This fact doesn’t really invalidate the initial statement though.

We would not be experiencing what we are currently experiencing presently if the Dems won. This isn’t an endorsement of the Dems, just reality

I view voting as a means to steer us to possibilities. Revolution and change won’t come through the ballot box but who gets voted in can influence that one way or another.

Can a true patriot please put this neanderthal back into the cave where she belongs?

Right, and they are tried in an unfair judicial system and sent to American prison. This is bad, but not sending people to El Salvador without trial to die levels of bad. These things aren’t equal and to imply it is is disingenuous

I feel like people are forgetting fascist countries become problems for every country.

They’re also forgetting whatever solidifies under trump will outlast him, so whatever grace the world thinks they have with Trump’s “incompetence” will soon be replaced by competence. Doesn’t matter if they can trick Americans into liking them, voting won’t be a thing. World domination is one hundred percent the goal. Look at how much they’re already influencing European fascist parties.

As an American socialist who has to deal with the collapse into fascism there is no material reason for me to advocate for accelerationism

Maybe if we already had a basis for socialist revolution to save us it would make sense. But there isn’t, collapse just means something worse is coming.

So socialists from other countries are cheerleading the collapse of us imperialism, which is objectively fair. But I also have to wonder how wise that is considering what I said above, the US isn’t collapsing into a peaceful socialist state but instead a war hungry fascist state which does not put an end to imperialism but rather makes it more direct and brutal

Either way, tankies seem to only admire theory and countries that say they’re socialist but actually aren’t. If your idea of socialism does not expand the definition of democracy to the workplace all the way up, with recall of representatives where direct democracy isn’t pragmatic, I don’t think it’s even worth considering as an alternative.

You first

This isn’t happening

Accelerationism is happening towards fascism. This would be a different story if socialism was on the rise with parallel structures in place to rescue us during the collapse

Literally this is not happening nor will happen. Not even close, it blows my mind other leftists think fascism provides opportunity. “Things are going to be great after this is all said and done!” As we’re rounded up and deported to El Salvador

Everyone is so used to consuming news not necessarily as entertainment but as background hum or as ammunition to confirm their ideology or dispel another. This isn’t wrong per se, but I think the consequence of constant barrage of war, disaster, tragedy, corporate abuse, political abuse at home and abroad desensitizes people to the possibility that these things can happen to them tomorrow right outside their front door.

They’re so used to the idea that theoretically the government has always been able to do whatever it wants to you they don’t realize how viscerally real it is that now they can do it without making excuses or cover ups, or under any pretense, and not only will no one do anything but millions will support the regime while you’re black bagged without due process. Authoritarian violence in America was always bad, but at least there had to be an excuse, a judicial system set up to defend cops who lie and say they felt threatened. Soon they will be brazen enough to snatch you up without pretense of a crime, without anyone knowing and without needing to explain themselves

They don’t realize how viscerally bad it will be for them when war breaks out no matter which side of that war they are on. Accelerationists are fucking clowns and they are not prepared for the world they’ve been jerking off to.

This works in a functioning society where court orders are followed, laws are followed, institutions aren’t gutted and the executive isn’t seizing control of elections. Sure in normal times let them hang themselves.

But this time is different. Even if the maga cult turns, they actually aren’t affected by bad policy, blunders, unconstitutionality, economy, polling … They’re in and they’re in for life unless they’re removed by force