Not that following the law is a big priority for this administration, but doesn’t ICE have limited-to-no jurisdiction in OK? I thought they could only operate withing 300mi. of a land or sea border.
EDIT: Nope. As far as I can tell, ICE jurisdiction is anywhere federal law applies.
That’s not quite how jurisdiction works. County sheriffs aren’t shot at the border when they attend state court (in another county), but they don’t have jurisdiction so they can’t act as a law officer (e.g. arrest someone) in a foreign county.
But, I agree that when the local police / national guard support / collaborate / conspire with ICE employees we are more likely to see a miscarriage of justice that goes unaddressed as the most likely outcome.
County sheriffs aren’t shot at the border when they attend state court (in another county), but they don’t have jurisdiction so they can’t act as a law officer (e.g. arrest someone) in a foreign county.
That’s a pretty far reaching statement that is wrong in most places. Laws (typically) concerning police are at the state level, and they can act across their state.* Most states also extend jurisdiction to other states’ police in specific circumstances. They ALSO extend jurisdiction (which is really sort of a formality because are they actually going to go against the bigger government?) to federal police/agents, typically limited to felonies.
*some exceptions are carved out, like traffic stops and where the arrested are to be transported and by who the arrested will be transported by.
I know that’s not how jurisdiction legally works on paper, but in practice, if ICE can come in and kidnap people off the street at gunpoint and the law enforcement with legal jurisdiction is unwilling to use lethal force to protect their citizens, ICE effectively has jurisdiction. I’d similarly say cartels have effective jurisdiction in parts of Mexico.
“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’
Using words that far outside their dictionary or conventional meanings is a not a path to clear communication.
Separately, I checked, and I can no longer find the map of ICE jurisdiction that I was remembering, and as far as I can tell ICE’s current jurisdiction is anywhere federal law applies, including Oklahoma. So, I was definitely wrong there.
I inferred from context that you meant that because they don’t have jurisdiction, they can’t arrest people. If that inference was wrong, so be it, but it was a reasonable one.
If they were following the law and don’t have jurisdiction, they can’t arrest people. But, (a) this administration doesn’t follow the law and (b) they do have jurisdiction. So, whatever I meant, I was clearly wrong. 🤣 😢
Not that following the law is a big priority for this administration, but doesn’t ICE have limited-to-no jurisdiction in OK? I thought they could only operate withing 300mi. of a land or sea border.
EDIT: Nope. As far as I can tell, ICE jurisdiction is anywhere federal law applies.
If the local police or state national guard won’t shoot them, they have jurisdiction.
That’s not quite how jurisdiction works. County sheriffs aren’t shot at the border when they attend state court (in another county), but they don’t have jurisdiction so they can’t act as a law officer (e.g. arrest someone) in a foreign county.
But, I agree that when the local police / national guard support / collaborate / conspire with ICE employees we are more likely to see a miscarriage of justice that goes unaddressed as the most likely outcome.
That’s a pretty far reaching statement that is wrong in most places. Laws (typically) concerning police are at the state level, and they can act across their state.* Most states also extend jurisdiction to other states’ police in specific circumstances. They ALSO extend jurisdiction (which is really sort of a formality because are they actually going to go against the bigger government?) to federal police/agents, typically limited to felonies.
*some exceptions are carved out, like traffic stops and where the arrested are to be transported and by who the arrested will be transported by.
I know that’s not how jurisdiction legally works on paper, but in practice, if ICE can come in and kidnap people off the street at gunpoint and the law enforcement with legal jurisdiction is unwilling to use lethal force to protect their citizens, ICE effectively has jurisdiction. I’d similarly say cartels have effective jurisdiction in parts of Mexico.
You sound like Humpty Dumpty:
Using words that far outside their dictionary or conventional meanings is a not a path to clear communication.
Separately, I checked, and I can no longer find the map of ICE jurisdiction that I was remembering, and as far as I can tell ICE’s current jurisdiction is anywhere federal law applies, including Oklahoma. So, I was definitely wrong there.
I inferred from context that you meant that because they don’t have jurisdiction, they can’t arrest people. If that inference was wrong, so be it, but it was a reasonable one.
If they were following the law and don’t have jurisdiction, they can’t arrest people. But, (a) this administration doesn’t follow the law and (b) they do have jurisdiction. So, whatever I meant, I was clearly wrong. 🤣 😢