The words exist across languages because we use them to mean something. If they had neither denotative nor connotative use, your comment itself would not mean anything. That you made the comment seems to me to imply that you know there is a difference.
This is such a silly line of thinking. To call being gay unnatural is clearly a misuse of the word, but the idea that everything that exists at all is natural is nonsense. For example, hot pink is an unnatural human hair color. Even if you color your hair hot pink, and therefore it exists; that doesn’t make it natural. So in the absence of another word used to describe something that wouldn’t otherwise exist in nature without human intervention, … “unnatural” is perfectly suited to this task.
With that last part I agree. And I’d bet we probably generally agree, but as a matter of perspective our positions look different. I’m not trying to be obtuse here.
Yes, as I see it, we are divided enough so let’s not get hung up on the details. It’s enough that you try to understand what I am getting at. Thanks for that.
You seem like a reasonable person so I would say we leave it at that and I wish you a good day :)
Hatsune Miku is capable of possessing the Decepticon Soundwave so she is very much not natural.
Also I would personally consider things created by creatures in the animal kingdom to be unnatural by default. With a further breakdown between naturalistic vs manufactured, with naturalistic being for example an anthill while manufactured would be for example a biface.
Natural biological processes such as breathing, pissing, and shitting are natural though.
I mean, I’m being facetious, for the record. It is, of course, a deeper and more interesting topic
Though, what I would end up saying in reality is that the distinction is for the most part meaningless in my opinion. The manufactured does not have to inherently be at odds with the natural.
Manufactured under such circumstances just means that it’s been altered in such a way that nature is either unlikely to or unable to. It’s not so much as it’s at odds so much as they are two distinct processes one is the simple mechanism of the universe doing its thing while the other is a mind inflicting it’s will, while life may be a consequence of thermodynamics we can still tell a burrow from aeons past from a simple rock which the wind has blasted through.
Also this is a matter of philosophy which has the potential of causing first fights amongst anthropologists. Which is what makes it fun. Also there is probably no good answer since it is as much derived from an individuals world view than anything else.
Everything comes from nature so nothing is unnatural.
Well that would just diminish the value of having both words.
So?
The words exist across languages because we use them to mean something. If they had neither denotative nor connotative use, your comment itself would not mean anything. That you made the comment seems to me to imply that you know there is a difference.
Yes, we use them to mean something that is wrong.
We have the concept of werewolves, doesn’t mean they exist.
This is such a silly line of thinking. To call being gay unnatural is clearly a misuse of the word, but the idea that everything that exists at all is natural is nonsense. For example, hot pink is an unnatural human hair color. Even if you color your hair hot pink, and therefore it exists; that doesn’t make it natural. So in the absence of another word used to describe something that wouldn’t otherwise exist in nature without human intervention, … “unnatural” is perfectly suited to this task.
The silly line of thinking is that because a human does something, it makes it unnatural.
I understand that it is meant that way. I’m just criticizing it.
People could be born with hot pink hair and at that point it would be natural?
Is plastic unnatural because it is made by humans? If there was a bacteria who produces plastic would that make plastic natural?
It’s the underlying misunderstanding that people think humanity is something special.
Let’s be real. People say unnatural and mean wrong or undesirable. And I am arguing against that.
With that last part I agree. And I’d bet we probably generally agree, but as a matter of perspective our positions look different. I’m not trying to be obtuse here.
Yes, as I see it, we are divided enough so let’s not get hung up on the details. It’s enough that you try to understand what I am getting at. Thanks for that.
You seem like a reasonable person so I would say we leave it at that and I wish you a good day :)
Well that’s not true. Hatsune miku is not natural in the slightest.
Is an anthill not natural despite having been made by natural beings?
Is Hatsune Miku not natural despite having been made by natural beings?
Hatsune Miku is the anthill of humanity. The peak of our nature.
You’d be hard pressed to find a majority of people who agree that things made by humans are natural.
That’s pretty much the one thing that gets called not natural.
Hatsune Miku is capable of possessing the Decepticon Soundwave so she is very much not natural.
Also I would personally consider things created by creatures in the animal kingdom to be unnatural by default. With a further breakdown between naturalistic vs manufactured, with naturalistic being for example an anthill while manufactured would be for example a biface.
Natural biological processes such as breathing, pissing, and shitting are natural though.
I mean, I’m being facetious, for the record. It is, of course, a deeper and more interesting topic
Though, what I would end up saying in reality is that the distinction is for the most part meaningless in my opinion. The manufactured does not have to inherently be at odds with the natural.
Manufactured under such circumstances just means that it’s been altered in such a way that nature is either unlikely to or unable to. It’s not so much as it’s at odds so much as they are two distinct processes one is the simple mechanism of the universe doing its thing while the other is a mind inflicting it’s will, while life may be a consequence of thermodynamics we can still tell a burrow from aeons past from a simple rock which the wind has blasted through.
Also this is a matter of philosophy which has the potential of causing first fights amongst anthropologists. Which is what makes it fun. Also there is probably no good answer since it is as much derived from an individuals world view than anything else.