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Cake day: June 14th, 2023

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  • Ok I think we have some pretty fundamental differences here. Firstly, I never suggested nor do I believe anyone has suggested giving up. This is not a choice between having elections or giving up democracy, it’s a choice between having elections now or waiting until later. This war will not last forever, one way or another.

    Secondly, I never said the election had to be perfect and I disagree in the strongest possible terms that it’s better to “make a good effort” or have as good of an election that you can under the circumstances. An election must be free and fair, or it’s actively damaging to the democratic status of a country. I don’t see how any of your proposed solutions here can result in a free and fair election and I personally would not accept anything less than that so we have a fundamental disagreement here.

    Appreciate you taking the time to come back and write up your thoughts though.





  • Ok well, maybe I’m wrong but I really don’t see how you can have a free and fair election when:

    • 3.5 million Ukrainians are currently living under occupation.
    • 1 million Ukrainians are currently drafted into the armed forces. Having them vote would create a huge logistical challenge on top of the already massive challenge of the day to day operations.
    • Drone strikes on Ukranian cities are a daily reality. Russia has shown a willingness to target civilian populations to create terror. Any large gathering such as that required to vote would be essentially suicide.
    • You mentioned that defence would be a problem…I feel this understates the issue. Every available resource is being used right now to protect the continued existence of Ukraine as a country. There is nothing to spare.
    • Russia has the opportunity to conduct the ultimate voter suppression, disproportionately targeting pro Zelinsky electorates with attacks and making it unsafe to vote.

    This is what I can come up with off the top of my head as a layman. I’m sure there are other issues I haven’t touched on.

    I’d love to hear a coherent explanation about how you can possibly have fair and free elections under these conditions. Having an election during wartime is not the same as having an election when you are under occupation and having your capital city droned every day.