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That doesn’t sound right. It must have happened while Hillary Clinton was president, surely that’s why everyone pointed fingers at her as opposed to Trump.

Are you telling me that multiple cameras didn’t just happen to fail at just the right time to miss what happened? What’s next, the two guards who abandoned their posts to take a nap together didn’t just randomly get tired?

“Why do these rich fucking white people always insist on seeing every socio-political conflict through the myopic lens of their own self-actualization?”

You joke but I did look it up before. I really would’ve preferred to use the 1852 election because the Whigs were still a thing, less antislavery than the Republicans (and funnier), and Franklin Pierce was worse than Buchanan. But the only election after Harper’s Ferry was Lincoln’s, so I reduced the anachronism as much as I could, and tried to make the Buchanan thing tied to the general abolitionist movement as opposed to the raid.

I’ll just call it… artistic licence

Holy shit, thanks. I’m so proud!

And that’s why I didn’t want to bother making a whole account.

At least a mod saw it lol

I was gonna but I haven’t logged into for years and I think I lost access to my account and I don’t really want to make a new one. Anyone who can is welcome to do it.

There is a 'don’t ’ in the sixth paragraph which should be ‘do not’ and therefore isn’t funny.

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Here you go

I had the same thought but I was thinking of making it about slavery/abolitionists, I might make it after work.

The theoretical roots of the US political divide goes back to: “We should kill all the natives because they’re racially inferior” vs “As a progressive, the natives are only culturally inferior, and if we destroy their culture and force them to adopt ours at gunpoint, we can make them civilized.” Underneath it all, that’s who they each are.

It only has to work long enough for them to die off and they’re all like 90, they’ve probably got enough “then they came for’s” ahead of them to be fine.

The Germans learned a lot about how to evade being held responsible for committing genocide, and nothing else.

Is this confirmed true?

I think I see your point a bit more, I didn’t really think about the implications of American fascism being a new thing. Also didn’t want to single you out or anything.

I hear you, I just feel like the meme was about the ordinary soldiers rather than the government. Fully respect wanting to correct the record regarding the government, just felt it was worth a reminder that there were people like the soldier in the meme who did sacrifice a lot fighting for a worthy cause and who do deserve respect, and our criticism of the government shouldn’t overshadow that. Just a small pushback on that, but one I felt was important.

There were also 400,000 soldiers who died fighting fascists under the US flag, who were not responsible for their government’s decisions regarding the use of nuclear weapons, nor Operation Paperclip, nor any other major government decisions.

I gotta push back against the criticism that several of my comrades in here are expressing. Y’all are talking about the US collaborating with Nazis after the war, and you’re not wrong about that, but that was the US government, while this meme is about a soldier. The soldiers on the ground fought for all sorts of reasons, they might have opposed the Nazis for all sorts of ideological reasons, or they might have just been doing it out of loyalty, or any of the other reasons soldiers fight. But there were people on the ground fighting the Nazis under a US flag who were committed antifascists and even communists. As for the others, whatever their reasons, when the call came to save the world from fascism, they answered, and were willing to sacrifice life and limb to do it. That’s pretty heroic if you ask me. And they weren’t the ones who made the decision to let Nazis into NATO and stuff afterwards.

I understand the defensiveness against attempts to glorify the US while villifying the USSR and downplay their (more substantial) sacrifice and contribution to the war. But there’s nothing in this meme that’s doing that, and there were Americans who contributed to the war effort. Is it necessary to kneejerk react to a meme celebrating someone who fought the Nazis by talking about the government that ruled over them? People aren’t defined by their nation or their government.

Let’s not forget the proud tradition of people like Woody Guthrie, who explicitly tied the war effort to a broader idea of antifascism, nor of the people on the front lines who he inspired.