You have every right to go to jail or flee instead. And in my opinion, a moral obligation.

Fleeing is only an option for the rich - as Elon demonstrated when he skipped Apartheid-South Africa (the same Apartheid-South Africa that allowed his family to grow filthy rich) before the SADF could get him.

For all practical purposes, so is going to jail as a conscientous objector - you’re going to need that wealth since you’ll be ostracised and utterly incapable of finding paid work after or even ever if you’re just lower working class. That’s how it worked in Apartheid-South Africa, at least.

None of this matters, of course. The unwilling conscripts and the enthusiastic volunteers all wear the same uniforms. There is very little room for these kinds of qualms when the bullets are flying - it’s war. If I was a Palestinian, none of this would cause me to hesitate in any way whatsoever.

So did Apartheid South Africa for whites.

Which, by the way, is the real reason Elon skipped South Africa - after Apartheid allowed his family to grow rich, of course.

Death to the IDF!

Yeah, this is the way - see the working class like idiotic children while patting ourselves on the back for our amazing and utterly irrelevant circlejerking super-powers.

What could possibly go wrong?

And I’m supposed to shed tears for America’s political police goons because… ?

Fuck Europig.

Oh… 20 million dead people is just a cheap prop to you, is that it?

What are you? A tankie?

is a sign that “I don’t understand”

Yeah. 20 milion dead is not a gotcha, Clyde.

Perhaps stop glorifying things you don’t understand. The Soviet people doing most of the fighting and dying is what the West wanted all along.

I don’t think we’ll be getting any backup this time, it’s up to us.

If you don’t, you’re screwed - bullets don’t grow on trees… not even in the US.

while we wait for backup from the French and English

You’re going to be waiting a long, long time.

The Soviet people also did most of the dying.

You can’t defeat a nazi in debate

Yes, you can. As long as you’re not a liberal.

You maybe wanna take a look at this… and tell me what it is you see?

You can’t do mutual-aid if the only aid being produced consists of nothing plus fancy speeches.

This is a meme you could have kept to yourself.

Sure thing.

But what is going to happen to them for arresting someone for that?

Nothing. These fascists can de facto criminalise anything they feel like with impunity, and people forget how close they were to criminalising face masks before COVID hit anyway - somehow, I don’t think “ze law” is going to help anyone.

So that’s a yes, eh white supremacist?

Did hear that the ANC is continuing to have a lot of internal strife with Rhamposa and the previous leader who was removed for corruption. Is Rhamposa any better?

No, they didn’t remove Zuma because of corruption - our entire political establishment is about as rancid as a defunded sewer system. He was removed because his faction lost the internecine infighting endemic to the ANC.

Ramaphosa is an interesting case. My dad actually knew him when he was just a junior union guy in the mines - that was, of course, before he became a mining boss (a very politically charged term here in South Africa) himself and betrayed the mineworkers and (literally) sicced murder-pig on them back in 2012 in front of the world’s cameras.

Sooo…

And does the nation as a whole feel like it’s able to try to move to better things?

…no. We’re just headed deeper into crushing neoliberal dystopia - and our entire political establishment (which includes the ANC and all the so-called “opposition”) thinks that’s just fine and dandy. Even our (supposed) public infrastructure is now “run like a business” - and I mean that literally. South Africa is a reactionary time-bomb - and throwing poor immigrants under the bus (like they’ve been doing since 2008) will only work to keep “business as usual” going for so long.