I agree the world would be better with more autstic organisation.
How exactly can we make public transport less overwhelming though?
We (and adhd) should also be careful towards this line of thinking does not spinning out into a superiority complex. Presumably the neurotypicals aren’t being weird or dumb, there just born differently and prone to being stuck in a narrow mindset. (Irony intended)
Which just feels incredibly condescending actually, as someone that uses a wheelchair. It reminds me of when people talk louder to me because I’m using a mobility aid. Like, there are better (visual) indicators that could be used for hard-of-hearing folks, so I’m struggling to understand which disabled folks this benefits compared to traditional door closing auditory indicators. There’s a Melbourne tram rolling stock that’s similarly loud and shrill.
I assume it’s for people with eyesight issues / blind. At least that’s what I read about it when it was introduced. However even then I have severe doubts in that helping (I also had a legal blind colleague and know how he got around).
So I don’t really think it helps any amount of people weighing against (statistically) possible 1% of Autists that might have more trouble with it.
And yes you’re right it seems some kind of default reaction by people to raise the voice, also for instance when I don’t (and can’t, and I told them beforehand!) understand in busy environments.
Thanks for your answer and perspective! I always think of ‘you’ when a regular stop in my home city casually states that all elevators at that stop are broken (for at least weeks) so you’ll just have to take the next stop (… And then??).
Most blind folks have “better” hearing than you or I though, that’s what confuses me.
As for the elevators, where I am they mandate at least two lifts for every connection. It’s funny because my train stop is quite busy, but only has two lifts as it has an island platform. However, a few stops away they have four elevators despite being way less trafficked, because it has two side platforms.
Yes it probably makes a small dent in the environmental benefit, but uncomfortable public transit is an even bigger disadvantage because then people take cars instead.
Hardly though, right? You would have to lower it to like maybe 4 people per carriage to match typical car usage. Besides, increasing the number of trains running during peak can solve this.
I dunno where you’re from, but here (Germany) I couldn’t imagine how that could be done.
Haven’t used public transport for 30yrs now but it already was horribly overcrowded back then.
Nowadays population rose tremendously, cars got more expensive, and in the near future (20-40yrs tops) the poorer ones won’t even be able to drive a car anymore at all.
Yet public transport remained practically untouched since then. How would these numbers fit into “less people per sqm”?
In rush hours I remember trams every 5mins, still looking like the famous Tokyo subway.
And busses in an even higher frequency would clog the whole cities. Trams and trains OK, they got their own lane.
Which can drastically clog the network so nothing arrives on time.
Not sure which is worse, overcrowded or unpredictable schedule.
In defence of the argument. It is noteworthy how quickly we have a bunch of presumably autistic people brainstorming on how to solve the problem the second the problem is posed.
Same where I live in Scandinavia. Apart from massive investments in public transit, creating massive unused overhead capacity most of the time, I don’t think it’s possible. But I do take public transport to/from work and the worst thing, by far is sitting/standing shoulder-to-shoulder I absolutely hate it.
Trains actually running on time would be a nice second thing to fix, I don’t think I have ever taken public transit on my commute that wasn’t delayed.
Oh yes, I remember that crowdiness. I fucking hated it, made me really aggressive if people get too near me (would make a good swede HM? 😆).
But I guess it’s a European problem in general. Limited space, growing population, more need to get from a to b for more people…
Our local train-company (It’s state run and only one) is known for being rarely on time. A running gag so to say.
I agree the world would be better with more autstic organisation.
How exactly can we make public transport less overwhelming though?
We (and adhd) should also be careful towards this line of thinking does not spinning out into a superiority complex. Presumably the neurotypicals aren’t being weird or dumb, there just born differently and prone to being stuck in a narrow mindset. (Irony intended)
Re public transport:
In Europe a few years back a piercing noise was added for closing doors (for trains, trams subs etc), supposedly helping some disabled.
However exactly this is torture for some people with sensory overload.
Changing this would help a lot.
Which just feels incredibly condescending actually, as someone that uses a wheelchair. It reminds me of when people talk louder to me because I’m using a mobility aid. Like, there are better (visual) indicators that could be used for hard-of-hearing folks, so I’m struggling to understand which disabled folks this benefits compared to traditional door closing auditory indicators. There’s a Melbourne tram rolling stock that’s similarly loud and shrill.
I assume it’s for people with eyesight issues / blind. At least that’s what I read about it when it was introduced. However even then I have severe doubts in that helping (I also had a legal blind colleague and know how he got around).
So I don’t really think it helps any amount of people weighing against (statistically) possible 1% of Autists that might have more trouble with it.
And yes you’re right it seems some kind of default reaction by people to raise the voice, also for instance when I don’t (and can’t, and I told them beforehand!) understand in busy environments.
Thanks for your answer and perspective! I always think of ‘you’ when a regular stop in my home city casually states that all elevators at that stop are broken (for at least weeks) so you’ll just have to take the next stop (… And then??).
Most blind folks have “better” hearing than you or I though, that’s what confuses me.
As for the elevators, where I am they mandate at least two lifts for every connection. It’s funny because my train stop is quite busy, but only has two lifts as it has an island platform. However, a few stops away they have four elevators despite being way less trafficked, because it has two side platforms.
Fewer people per sqm I busses and trains would help a lot.
That lessens the advantage of public transit over cars though
Yes it probably makes a small dent in the environmental benefit, but uncomfortable public transit is an even bigger disadvantage because then people take cars instead.
Hardly though, right? You would have to lower it to like maybe 4 people per carriage to match typical car usage. Besides, increasing the number of trains running during peak can solve this.
Lol, not even - more like 2, maybe 3 if you include the driver
Look, I was trying to be charitable :P
I dunno where you’re from, but here (Germany) I couldn’t imagine how that could be done. Haven’t used public transport for 30yrs now but it already was horribly overcrowded back then. Nowadays population rose tremendously, cars got more expensive, and in the near future (20-40yrs tops) the poorer ones won’t even be able to drive a car anymore at all.
Yet public transport remained practically untouched since then. How would these numbers fit into “less people per sqm”?
Higher frequency. So more trains/busses on the same route.
In rush hours I remember trams every 5mins, still looking like the famous Tokyo subway. And busses in an even higher frequency would clog the whole cities. Trams and trains OK, they got their own lane.
Which can drastically clog the network so nothing arrives on time.
Not sure which is worse, overcrowded or unpredictable schedule.
In defence of the argument. It is noteworthy how quickly we have a bunch of presumably autistic people brainstorming on how to solve the problem the second the problem is posed.
Same where I live in Scandinavia. Apart from massive investments in public transit, creating massive unused overhead capacity most of the time, I don’t think it’s possible. But I do take public transport to/from work and the worst thing, by far is sitting/standing shoulder-to-shoulder I absolutely hate it.
Trains actually running on time would be a nice second thing to fix, I don’t think I have ever taken public transit on my commute that wasn’t delayed.
Oh yes, I remember that crowdiness. I fucking hated it, made me really aggressive if people get too near me (would make a good swede HM? 😆). But I guess it’s a European problem in general. Limited space, growing population, more need to get from a to b for more people…
Our local train-company (It’s state run and only one) is known for being rarely on time. A running gag so to say.