Lawrence Klein, who’s based in Southern California, filed a complaint against Microsoft in the San Diego Superior Court over its plan to discontinue support for Windows 10 by October 14, 2025. According to the Courthouse News Service, Klein owns two Windows 10 laptops, both of which will become obsolete come October. He asserts that Microsoft is making this move “to force its customers to purchase new devices optimized to run Microsoft’s suite of generative artificial intelligence (AI) software such as Copilot, which comes bundled with Windows 11 by default.”
Completely unrelated. It’s the force the purchase of new PCs… Sue for the right thing at least
It’s completely possible to upgrade to windows 11
… On certain PCs. /s
You can do it on any PC if you’re willing to look up how.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_(2012_tablet)
Stretching the definition of “PC” there, but good luck.
Don’t forgot they said 10 was the last version of Windows
It is, Windows 11 is still NT 10.0. They just gave it a shitty makeover and a new marketing name so they could enforce TPM 2.0 without locking users out of a normal Windows update.
One marketing person said that, and they back tracked on that immedietly. Yet people still wont let them live that down.
They shouldn’t be able to live that down.
Have you ever tried to herd kittens?
Everyone heard the “Last windows” statement. The backtracking never had any visibility.
So, no.
We won’t drop it.
Let’s take it back to 7 if we can.
Windows 2000.
XP please
Gross
everything was so nice and round
Yes, we know you want to fuck it. That’s why we can’t have it.
:c
W98 please
The original 98 or would you like to try 98SE?
I never had SE. What’s it like?
I wouldn’t be able to tell you more than it’s an updated version with some new features added…
According to Wikipedia:
Windows 98 Second Edition (often shortened to Windows 98 SE and sometimes to Win98 SE or 98 SE)[76] is an updated version of Windows 98 released on June 10, 1999, about eight months before the release of the business-oriented Windows 2000.[77] It includes many bug fixes,[78] improved WDM audio and modem support, improved USB support,[76] added SSE2 support, the replacement of Internet Explorer 4.0 with Internet Explorer 5.0,[78] Web Folders (WebDAV namespace extension for Windows Explorer),[79] and related shell updates. Also included is basic OHCI-compliant FireWire DV camcorder support (MSDV class driver) and SBP-2 support for mass storage class devices.[80] Wake-On-LAN reenables suspended networked computers due to network activity, and Internet Connection Sharing allows multiple networked client computers to share an Internet connection via a single host computer.[78]
Other features in the update include DirectX 6.1 which introduced major improvements to DirectSound and the introduction of DirectMusic,[78] improvements to Asynchronous Transfer Mode support (IP/ATM, PPP/ATM and WinSock 2/ATM support), Windows Media Player 6.1 replacing the older Media Player 4.1,[76] Microsoft NetMeeting 3.0,[81] MDAC 2.1 and WMI. A memory overflow issue was resolved in which earlier versions of Windows 98 would crash most systems if left running for 49.7 days (equal to 232 milliseconds); this bug was also present on its predecessor, Windows 95.[82] Windows 98 SE could be obtained as retail upgrade and full version packages, as well as OEM and a Second Edition Updates Disc for existing Windows 98 users. USB audio device class support is present from Windows 98 SE onwards. Windows 98 Second Edition improved WDM support in general for all devices, and it introduced support for WDM for modems (and therefore USB modems and virtual COM ports). However, Microsoft driver support for both USB printers and USB mass-storage device class is not available for Windows 98.
Removed features
The Active Channels Channel bar from the original release of Windows 98 is not installed upon first boot, however it is retained when upgrading from the original release of Windows 98 to Windows 98 Second Edition.
Windows 98 Second Edition did not ship with the WinG API or RealPlayer 4.0, unlike the original release of Windows 98, due to both of these having been superseded by DirectX and Windows Media Player, respectively. On the other hand, ActiveMovie still exists in Windows 98 Second Edition despite having been superseded by Windows Media Player.
maybe we can go even further back in time and make sure it’s not born at all?
I had a great experience on Win7 for the most part. But now being used to Linux for all tasks on all PCs, there is no real nostalgia or yearning to return.
Okay. Serious question here. How long are they supposed to support it for? Windows 10 came out 10 years ago. To look back during that time:
- Ubuntu 16.04 LTS - released 4/2016, EOL 4/2021 (5 years)
- CentOS 7 - released 7/2014, EOL 6/2024 (10 years)
- Mint 18 - released 6/2016, EOL 4/2021 (5 years)
- Debian 8 - released 5/2015, Extended EOL 8/2022 (7 years)
- Fedora 24 - released 6/2016, EOL 8/2017 (1 year)
So with the exception of CentOS, Linux has less time before it EOLs, and if you want you can always move to a newer version, but at some point a newer version may not support older hardware. Case in point 6.15 removed support for 486 chips, which you may argue is old, but someone will say the same thing “it’s still a perfectly usable computer”
Microsoft does support Windows for a good length of time. The problem is when they don’t provide a migration route for people using and older OS on hardware that is still perfectly powerful enough to remain in use. If they had Windows 11 fail over gracefully when the recommended TPM etc. is not present, then these users could migrate to Windows 11 without issue. The thing blocking these computers from going over to Windows 11 is an entirely artificial set of requirements concocted by a company that makes money from each new machine sold, and which doesn’t care that its customers now have to choose between environmental irresponsibility or running an insecure OS.
That said, Linux is there, it’s free, and it’s so much nicer.
It isn’t a question of “How long are they supposed to support it for”; it’s a matter of “Don’t artificially break things”.
As to Linux distro EOLs, they’re are bad examples for several reasons:
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- Linux distros are being provided to us for free – Never look a gift horse in the mouth.
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- Linux distro EOLs are generally a very different beast than a Windows EOL: They change your user experience and may break some beloved software, but they generally don’t make core hardware components unusable, let alone entire computers.
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- When the Linux kernel does discontinue support for some very old hardware, we still have the source code of the last version available and are free to build some continuation. When your Windows updates end, you’re left with nothing. And that’s not just a theoretical option (which, however, is important enough in itself!): Only in the case of 35-year old hardware is it unlikely that people would actually do that work (on the kernel and all the relevant higher-level software). If – by contrast – the Linux kernel team would for no good reason stop supporting hardware that’s a mere 10 years old, you betcha there would be people starting work to fill in the void (starting with current kernel devs who don’t agree with that decision). Why? Because that’s what Linux community is doing right now and has been doing for decades – keeping up support for hardware way older than 10 years.
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- Linux developers are credible when they say that a decision to drop support for some old thing is because continuation would be to much work. Sure, also for Windows 10, economic unfeasability of further maintenance might have been the reason why they discontinued it. However, over the course of years and decades, Microsoft has given us countless well-documented reasons to suspect that their decision here is not because they have, to their own displeasure, concluded that the burden of continued support has become too heavy, but because they’ve spotted some new way to make money and/or reinforce their market dominance in various segments, to which people’s ability to stick with their current systems is an impediment. Since people not having a TPM2 on their computers is extremely unlikely to require much additional effort on Microsoft’s side to keep them supported, this is all the more likely to be the case, and that’s what the plaintiff’s claim is.
Not that I disagree, but 10 years is a massive jump in hardware performance.
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I don’t disagree with this sentiment, but the problem is you can’t upgrade windows if your hardware doesn’t support it. It’s not like we are talking about i386 or anything. This is modern hardware and it’s just wasteful.
Legit, i can emu tpm and secure boot on a four year old proxmox build. There is no hardware here, the requirements are utter bullshit. It’s not even to support ai - it’s because Microsoft want to force an Apple style garden wall long, long after the horses in question have bolted
Well those are FOSS operating systems and Microsoft is selling Windows for money so I think “Right to repair” or “Don’t kill games” is more related than Linux. They should give people option to repair their OS if there will be security issues.
Fair but w10 was supposed to be the last os that gets continuously updated and all of a sudden they drop 11
Sadly that was just someone who misspoke and it was taken out of context.
TIL
Before I switched to Mint, my W10 spat out a full screen ad that was telling me to dump my PC and get a new one because support was ending for W10. I clicked on ‘maybe later’ because there was no other viable option to get it off screen, thinking it was a one off. It was when the ad popped up again 3 days later that I spat the dummy and went into Linux land.
It wasn’t about ongoing support. It was about being left alone with my choice and not having my personal computer nagging me every few days to spend money when I didn’t need to. I believe this is what most people are angry about.
I think it’s fair for an operating system you have to pay for to have a longer lifespan than an operating system you don’t have to pay for.
You can install the current version of Ubuntu on your Windows 10 PC that can’t run Windows 11.
Thank you Linus/Stallman++ for delivering us from evil 😇
Linus + Stallman
Linus and Stallman et al.
Those are unecessary spaces,
The space is for the rest of the contributors!
I would argue with you but you’re right cuz I forgot yx
Maybe, switching to Linux would’ve been more beneficial.
