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- meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/40188039
Left-wing extremists have been showing “substantial activity on Lemmygrad.ml” with an accompanying increase in toxicity, a new joint study published by Binghamton University and Cyprus University of Technology on Arxiv says.
The researchers also identified posts that support authoritarian regimes, endorse the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and feature anti-Zionist and antisemitic content.
“Overall, our findings contribute to a more nuanced understanding of political extremism within decentralized social networks and emphasize the necessity of analyzing both ends of the political spectrum in research,” the researchers conclude.
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Users on Lemmygrad.ml frequently discuss […] China and North Korea, with many posts expressing support for them.
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Discussions [on Lemmygrad.ml] on the Israel-Palestine conflict primarily criticize Israel. While many posts condemn antisemitism, [the authors] also encounter numerous posts that extend beyond criticizing Israel, displaying anti-Zionism and even antisemitism.
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[The study] results show that users of Lemmygrad.ml frequently share posts that support authoritarian regimes, as seen in their support for China, North Korea, and Russia. Moreover, their support can extend beyond backing these authoritarian regimes, even cheering on their violent actions, as evidenced by their posts on the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Additionally, we observe anti-Zionist and antisemitic behaviors, which show similarities to right-wing extremism.
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Our analysis suggests a concerning endorsement of authoritarian actions and extremist rhetoric on Lemmygrad.ml, further indicating that left-wing extremist communities on decentralized platforms should receive more attention from the academic community.
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I would not rate the people on lemmygrad.ml as “leftists” in any way from what I read about them.
If only, it leads to polarisation by limping such views under the same umbrella as left. Same goes for natsoc and right.
Its in the best interest of everyone sane to not let polarisation effect us anymore then it does now. Its already close to repairable. We used to be somewhat tolerable to each other. Extremists in these times are a disease
Real MVPs. Only downside I can think of is excuse to ban decentralization all together. Look, we know how the instances operate. Analysis like these only hurt the fediverse. I don’t mind being exposed to different (or very different) views etc. I am even an veteran at spotting propaganda, I can read between the lines. Its better to know what people are thinking then it all being excluded from each other.
Look, on a scale of Reddit, biases left and right have been proven harmful to most beneficial to some. But on this scale it seems to work.
I remember the pre industrialized internet. I believe in a the concept of a forum.
Now looking back not so MVP. I scroll past content I don’t personally like, endorse or sometimes even dislike or are so far from my own bubble. But that’s what the internet is king at.
Look, I know those days of glory won’t come back. But as far as current year goes, fediverse is a welcome escape.
I know how communities scale, the current state of Lemmy with all its ups and downs suit me personally so well. There are some increments in content/quality that in theory could be gained but anno now it has so many drawbacks, learning from the best.
Since bulletin boards and enshittification, the fediverse has been the lone star, a bright point, in the past years of internet experience for me.
Analysis like these only hurt the fediverse
Instances like lemmygrad.ml hurt the Fediverse. “Their support can extend beyond backing these authoritarian regimes, even cheering on their violent actions, as evidenced by their posts on the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Additionally, we observe anti-Zionist and antisemitic behaviors, which show similarities to right-wing extremism.”
Aside from some grad and bear communities which are known “cheering on violence”, there are many other comms here in Lemmy whose admins and mods support this anti-democratic stance, although with a softer approach. It is them that hurt the Fediverse as this is also a major reason imo why the Lemmy still remains a small niche product.
The whole idea is to then defederate as an instance as admin, or as user block the instance or pick a different instance all together.
These guys did Reddit too: https://arxiv.org/html/2307.06981v3
I find their graphs hard to read, the scope is questionable and conclusions aren’t that conclusive.
exhibits anti-Zionist
And why the hell is this on the list again?
I wonder.
Using a custom crawler, we collect 91,271 posts from 465 communities (Lemmy’s equivalent of subreddits) between August 17, 2019, and April 30, 2022.
Weird that they don’t include more recent posts. I’m guessing they chose that date range because they wanted to focus on the migration of two reddit subs to Lemmy which happened at the end of that time but it seems like there’s been a lot of water under the bridge since then. Even a quick glance at the /communities page shows the popularity of different communities has changed significantly.
Nothing “left wing” about being a stan for China, N Korea, and Russia
I presume you are referring to the following?
Tbh I wouldn’t give them even that much credit lol. It’s called “campism” and it’s just bonkers
Interesting. I thought you were simply referring to Tribalism by another name, but no that’s actually a distinct concept on its own, although ultimately wrapping back to mean Tankies, since as https://www.reddit.com/r/VaushV/comments/1fj08i0/tankie_vs_campist_difference/ helps explain, “every Tankie is a campist but not every campist is a Tankie”.
Yup! I thought this podcast ep had some good critiques of campism (though it wasn’t the main focus of the ep) The Fire These Times: 128/ The Islamic Regime of Iran Will Fall w/ Vicky and Kiana
Episode webpage: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thefirethesetimes/episodes/128-The-Islamic-Regime-of-Iran-Will-Fall-w-Vicky-and-Kiana-e1vc972
No true Scotsman
That fallacy would only apply if I had made an argument that implicitly included them as part of the left, then someone cited them as a counterexample, then I moved the goal posts to exclude them.
Although terms like left and right are fuzzy and argued over, they have to have some meaning to be useful. I’d be interested to hear how you think uncritical support of these regimes counts as being left wing.
It is rather Alt-Left.
“The decentralized web” …so… “the web”? Do they not realize literally anyone, even extremists, can make a Lemmy instance with spare parts and a wifi connection?
Left-wing extremists have been showing “substantial activity on Lemmygrad"
“Left wing extremists have been showing substantial activity on the website that was literally built for that type of content” What’s next? They “investigate” the amount of Trekkie related activity on StarTrek.website?
I think a far more interesting research subject is looking into the number of ostensibly non-extremist instances are hosting extremist content by virtue of federation.
So this study’s definition of “extreme left” is “extreme right?” There is no such thing as “authoritarian left” as they are opposites by definition. Distributed authority is leftist, consolidated authority is rightist. There’s a reason we have a pejorative for left-cosplaying rightists.
There was a post on one of the science or science memes communities recently with a (badly done) study about how the world can support billions more people if only [long list of impossible things here].
Many of the commenters there were talking about how if we could just organise into far left anarchist militias, and violently overthrow all the governments to impose authoritarian rules on everyone like banning cars and animal agriculture, we could really have 10 billion people living in a perfect communist utopia on earth.
It was very amusing reading. /s
(For the record, I’m not opposing veganism or cars being bad. It was all the defending of bad science and talk of anarchist authoritarian regimes, which was so darkly funny to me.)
Distributed authority would be anarchist or more broadly libertarian. You can have nominally left leaning authoritarians. The problem is, for all authoritarians left or right. Their authority is their priority. Economic leanings to them are a matter of convenience.
Whereas with more libertarian structures. The more libertarian you go, the more economically left leaning you tend to be out of necessity.
Distributed authority would be anarchist or more broadly libertarian.
Depending on the definitions you use, anarchism and leftism are synonyms. Libertarianism, also depending on definition, is a subset of leftism.
Authoritarianism is always rightist, regardless of how “benevolent” it paints itself. Benevolent rightism isn’t leftist, it’s still rightist.
There is/was definitely an authoritarian left.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarian_socialism#Development
If you read your own link you find that what is being described is still rightist. A nationalized economic policy does not make an authoritarian government leftist. If a ruling class, be it dictator or oligarchy, controls the economy then it does not belong to the people and is not leftist. It is feudalism wearing different pants.
You can believe what you like. But you know what other people mean when they refer to “authoritarian left” and to pretend otherwise is just counterproductive. Good day, sir.
But you know what other people mean when they refer to “authoritarian left” and to pretend otherwise is just counterproductive.
The term “authoritarian left” is dangerous cold war era misinformation and capitalist propaganda. It’s important to correct this doublespeak every time it happens.
study reveals…
Ha! Anyone on Lemmy knows this. WTH?
