The US has extremely shit PT, with black Americans often living in already under-serviced communities, and with less disposable income and social services to support them to travel off to touch some grass.
There are quite a few black comedians in the USA who explain why. Basically life as a black man in the US is hard enough and there is no need to introduce recreational “challenges” like campingto feel fulfilled.
I see that. But where lies the joke exactly? My interpretation is that this white dude barely knows what he’s doing, like constantly moving the wood. To me is more like set it up, and watch it burn. Then, from time to time, you add another log.
I mean, there’s no way of knowing with any certainty from this image alone whether or not the guy is tending the fire competently…
But it is actually not as simple as ‘just throw on another log’.
How long do you want the fire to burn?
How hot do you want the fire to burn?
Do you have an accelerant, or no?
Is your timber and kindling very dry or very wet?
Is your timber and kindling going to need to burn through bark or not?
How sappy is your timber and kindling?
How hot or cold or windy is it, is it expected to become?
All these things and more can and do affect the initial layout of the campfire, how to adjust it and maintain it to keep it going at the rate and intensity you want it to, especially if the desired goal state of the fire changes, and/or environmental conditions change or are expected to change significantly.
…
Anyway, the ‘joke’ could be more or less racially based.
I’d say yeah, you probably are more likely to find a random white guy that uh… knows all the stuff I just previously said, but thats because a random white guy (in the US, at least) is more likely to have come from a family that could afford camping trips, could send their kids to the scouts or something.
(This is basically the same root behind the ‘black people don’t know how to swim’ uh, ‘joke’.)
(Yep, turns out you’re more likely to learn how to swim if your parents could afford to / were not segregated out of living in a community with access to pools or beaches)
Again though, there’s no real way from the given context to determine… whether or not the image was made by someone aware of this, and is referencing that…
… or if they’re just making a very basic, pithy, uninformed, surface level observation…
or somewhere in between this.
…
There could also be an element of sexism to the ‘joke’, if you interperet ‘and I respect that’ as completely sarcastic, sort of going along with your interpretation.
‘Oh, clearly this dude doesn’t know what he’s doing, he’s just trying to look like he knows what he’s doing.’
…
So yeah, if your ‘joke’ is possibly racist, possibly sexist, unclear about whether or not it actually is, and generally illicits confusion when it is described or explained as a joke…
Then uh, I agree with you, its not a very good joke.
…
Also, to perhaps clarify younger / more modern slang:
‘really fucks with’, to maybe a millenial or older, would mean that you keep consistently interfering with or engaging with some person or process or activity.
But! To Gen Z / A, ‘really fucks with’ is closer to… ‘spends their time’ or ‘engages at all’ or even ‘is seriously dedicated to’.
Like if I asked a Gen A if they knew person A, they could respond, ‘No, I don’t really fuck with person A’.
And that would basically mean that they don’t know them that well, or at all.
Whereas if a millenial or older person said ‘I don’t really fuck with person A’… that would be more like a denial of bullying or harassing them.
The Gen Z/A usage of ‘fucks with’ is much more morally/intent neutral, wheras the Millenial/Older usage is more morally/intent negative.
no cap man fr fr, gotta recognize the w’s when you get em, appreciate you gassin’ me up!
low key, you gotta lay off that brainrot addiction a bit, replace it with just a dash, a little sprinkle of linguistic hyperfixation, as well as healthy downtime, contemplation, and then a lot of those jokes and memes? they just hit different.
(uh, uh, ok, imagine this comment also overlay bordered with subway surfers or something)
(up to you to determine if the meta irony of that is intentional or not)
Mmm, but what if a log falls over? Or all of one side of a piece of wood burns? Or someone decides they wanna make s’mores and they need a good spot for it?
Yeah, like why does race need to be involved here? Fire should be for everyone to enjoy.
Outdoor recreation and camping was and still sort of is exclusionary to black folks especially, but there’s a lot of people trying to change that
I live in the UK so I don’t think this really applies here. If you are not going out and touching grass, its on you. Not the colour of your skin.
Yes I think there are some differences between racism in the UK and the US
I am curious now, how does race stop someone touching grass in the US?
Intersectionly.
The US has extremely shit PT, with black Americans often living in already under-serviced communities, and with less disposable income and social services to support them to travel off to touch some grass.
What does PT mean in this context?
Public Transportation/Transit, is my guess, given the context
Lookup “Sundown Towns”
It doesn’t, but it does result in comments like yours. I’m not interested in responding further to you.
There are quite a few black comedians in the USA who explain why. Basically life as a black man in the US is hard enough and there is no need to introduce recreational “challenges” like campingto feel fulfilled.
It’s a joke.
I see that. But where lies the joke exactly? My interpretation is that this white dude barely knows what he’s doing, like constantly moving the wood. To me is more like set it up, and watch it burn. Then, from time to time, you add another log.
I mean, there’s no way of knowing with any certainty from this image alone whether or not the guy is tending the fire competently…
But it is actually not as simple as ‘just throw on another log’.
How long do you want the fire to burn?
How hot do you want the fire to burn?
Do you have an accelerant, or no?
Is your timber and kindling very dry or very wet?
Is your timber and kindling going to need to burn through bark or not?
How sappy is your timber and kindling?
How hot or cold or windy is it, is it expected to become?
All these things and more can and do affect the initial layout of the campfire, how to adjust it and maintain it to keep it going at the rate and intensity you want it to, especially if the desired goal state of the fire changes, and/or environmental conditions change or are expected to change significantly.
…
Anyway, the ‘joke’ could be more or less racially based.
I’d say yeah, you probably are more likely to find a random white guy that uh… knows all the stuff I just previously said, but thats because a random white guy (in the US, at least) is more likely to have come from a family that could afford camping trips, could send their kids to the scouts or something.
(This is basically the same root behind the ‘black people don’t know how to swim’ uh, ‘joke’.)
(Yep, turns out you’re more likely to learn how to swim if your parents could afford to / were not segregated out of living in a community with access to pools or beaches)
Again though, there’s no real way from the given context to determine… whether or not the image was made by someone aware of this, and is referencing that…
… or if they’re just making a very basic, pithy, uninformed, surface level observation…
or somewhere in between this.
…
There could also be an element of sexism to the ‘joke’, if you interperet ‘and I respect that’ as completely sarcastic, sort of going along with your interpretation.
‘Oh, clearly this dude doesn’t know what he’s doing, he’s just trying to look like he knows what he’s doing.’
…
So yeah, if your ‘joke’ is possibly racist, possibly sexist, unclear about whether or not it actually is, and generally illicits confusion when it is described or explained as a joke…
Then uh, I agree with you, its not a very good joke.
…
Also, to perhaps clarify younger / more modern slang:
‘really fucks with’, to maybe a millenial or older, would mean that you keep consistently interfering with or engaging with some person or process or activity.
But! To Gen Z / A, ‘really fucks with’ is closer to… ‘spends their time’ or ‘engages at all’ or even ‘is seriously dedicated to’.
Like if I asked a Gen A if they knew person A, they could respond, ‘No, I don’t really fuck with person A’.
And that would basically mean that they don’t know them that well, or at all.
Whereas if a millenial or older person said ‘I don’t really fuck with person A’… that would be more like a denial of bullying or harassing them.
The Gen Z/A usage of ‘fucks with’ is much more morally/intent neutral, wheras the Millenial/Older usage is more morally/intent negative.
Thanks a lot :) There’s always a lemmy user who really fucks with explaining a meme and I respect that <3
no cap man fr fr, gotta recognize the w’s when you get em, appreciate you gassin’ me up!
low key, you gotta lay off that brainrot addiction a bit, replace it with just a dash, a little sprinkle of linguistic hyperfixation, as well as healthy downtime, contemplation, and then a lot of those jokes and memes? they just hit different.
(uh, uh, ok, imagine this comment also overlay bordered with subway surfers or something)
(up to you to determine if the meta irony of that is intentional or not)
This is some damn fine analysis of a screencap of a TikTok.
Autism + Boredom + Lemmy =
Inordinant level of analysis on entirely random subjects
EDIT
Oh right, social norms!
Skipped my mind.
Thank you for the compliment =D
Mmm, but what if a log falls over? Or all of one side of a piece of wood burns? Or someone decides they wanna make s’mores and they need a good spot for it?