Summary
Minnesota Governor Tim Walz, Kamala Harris’ 2024 running mate, has suggested he may run for president in 2028.
Reflecting on the Democrats’ loss to Donald Trump and JD Vance, he admitted: “A large number of people did not believe we were fighting for them in the last election – and that’s the big disconnect.”
Walz said his life experience, rather than ambition, would guide his decision.
Though his VP campaign was marred by gaffes, he remains open to running if he feels prepared.
I’m not convinced there will be an election in 2028…
The Harris campaign had to cover the governor’s tracks when he tripped up during a California fundraiser by stating that the constitutionally-mandated system used to select the president, otherwise known as the electoral college, “needs to go”.
How the hell is that a gaffe? It’s both the truth and exactly what people want to hear. Any lib who thinks like that needs to kindly keep their mouths shut for the next four years. This country needs radical change, the only choice you get is which one you want.
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The Harris campaign made a cowardly attempt to walk back the governor’s statements when he said during a California fundraiser that the broken election systems used for gerrymandering and enabling the double elections of Donald Trump, “needs to go”.
Just guessing, but it might be a gaffe because it could be skewed to sound like he doesn’t believe in democracy. Of course, this makes no sense because Trump has quite literally said that we might not need another election in four years.
A more careful statement might have been, “the electoral college needs to be replaced with a system where every citizen’s vote has the same magnitude.” If that’s not the mathematical ideal of democracy, I don’t know what is.
Edit: For you pedantic mathematicians, I’ll add that everyone’s vote should have the same magnitude, and that magnitude should be greater than zero.
If that’s not the mathematical ideal of democracy,
That is the mathematical ideal of populism.
Democracy is “government by consent of the governed”; There is no good way of democratically electing a singular individual. Which is why the presidency should be little more than a figurehead, with very little actual authority.
The pearl-clutching Tone Police in the Democratic Party are nothing if not exhausting, that’s for sure.
The Republicans can and do say just about whatever the fuck they want, and that’s sanewashed, and overlooked, and brushed under the rug, sometimes even celebrated, but the tone police in the “liberal media” and the left, and the Democratic Party itself will be there, wagging-finger at the ready, if some Democrat misses a semicolon .
i’m not even sure what that text is supposed to be referencing?
I assume it’s not literally the message itself, because that would be kind of broad. I’m guessing he just said it weirdly, and that bothered people, because of course it did.
Him calling the GOP weird was not a gaffe but the campaign made him walk away from that language because it might offend potential turncoats. The fact he is internalizing the criticism worries me.
Oh man I can’t wait for right-wing/foreign propaganda to tell progressives what they should hate about Walz.
Tim Walz unleashed would have won this.
He was hamstrug by Harris. He’s likely the dem’s best choice for 2028.
So of course they’ll run Newsome or Shapiro or Hillary Clinton again because they’re a bunch of idiots.
And Harris was hamstrung by Biden.
She could have been better.
She is a cop. She dropped out in 15th place in the 2020 primary for she was embarrassed in her home state of California. They should have never ran her and that’s why they didn’t do a primary.
Hey check out this hotshot over here with a long term memory! No, didn’t you hear she ran a perfect campaign they just couldn’t get enough celebrity endorsements…
Some of us have a long enough memory to know that ozma’s whole schtick has been shitting exclusively on Democrats for like the last year. He’s not the guy you should look to for an unbiased opinion.
But they’re right. Harris did drop out of the primaries before they even started and she was unpopular in the polls the entire time.
She would in all likely hood not be on the ticket if it wasn’t for Bidens stubborn pride.
The one who kept warning for months that Biden would drop out, they’d put Harris in, and Trump would win again?
The one who got himself banned for explicitly saying all he wanted to do was post negative articles about Biden at an alarming rate.
Prosecutors are not cops.
I’m curious how you picture a society functioning without prosecutors. Please enlighten me.
Shit like this is why people don’t take the “defund the police” movement seriously.
She literally called herself the “Top Cop” of California… https://www.c-span.org/clip/campaign-2016/user-clip-kamala-top-cop/4813155
“How dare you use her own words and political campaigns against her? That’s Russian propaganda!”
She was the 4th most progressive candidate still in the 2020, solidly mid of the primary field, with some really terrible candidates behind her, and some really good candidates ahead of her.
I think she could have been the best president since Carter, but she certainly didnt run like it.
But again, none of this really matters.
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I’m not even sure how to respond to a lie that bold.
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Or she could have not played this game, that she willfully engaged in. Harris is the epitome of a career politician that rose through the ranks by doing what the party elites wanted her to do.
Once she was announced candidate, she had all the options to go for her own platform and grow a spine, if she has one. Also that is a quality that is crucial in a president, who wants to lead the supposedly most powerful country on earth.
And this shows, what the DNC wants. They dont want a strong leader. They want a puppet they can control. This is also why they were more than happy to have Biden go for another 4 years, not despite, but because of his declining mental state making him a great puppet.
I half agree. I think the Biden campaign hamstrung her more, than she hamstrung herself, but what do I know, and its all a bit silly. Her campaign is over in any case.
And she chose not to.
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Yeah, they would have blamed all the inflation on our first woman president and used it to denounce women for another half a century. If she helped Israel she would have been called out for Genocide just the same. If she didn’t she would have been called weak and emotional, unfit to be president.
Really it was a no win situation for her.
Edit: Fairly sure instead of Genocide Joe they would have called her Obamala Kamala.
The Democratic Party is finished, just like the GOP.
I saw a video of him sitting down to have an earnest conversation with hardcore Trump farmers and they left liking him a lot. He’s got that “common sense” Midwestern energy on lock and I can see him gaining a lot of ground with the blue collar and rural folks because of it.
If he has pro-hunting gun views like Bernie, he’ll be an amazing pick.
I think he hunts himself. Didn’t he say that during the campaign with Harris?
Yep. I remember a time when the Beltway insiders were acting like Amy Klobuchar was a rising star or some such, LOL.
Ah, Klobuchar. She is the prize senator from the DFL-- their only Sr Senator. She more or less runs it. The same Klobachar who threw out every single police misconduct case given to her when she was a county prosecutor, including the murder of George Floyd by officer Derek Chauvin. She just let him walk because he was a cop.
Honestly, I just can’t hear another fucking anecdote about her Grandfather. That was her sole pivot.
Running Hillary again
The fact that this is somewhat believable is so stupid
Pretty much any reasonable person unleashed by the Democratic party would have won.
Give me AOC or Bernie.
Bernie’s going to be almost 90 years old by then
biden is no longer in office, so age can be a problem again.
I like adding AOC to the ticket. But getting through primaries may pit them against each other; their bases, at least.
I think it would actually be very easy to unite their bases. At a certain point we’re going to have to acknowledge that progressive populism is appealing to every demographic apart from evangelicals, xenophobes, and 3%ers. Midwesterners who like Walz may be more religious and worse LGBTQ+ allies, but fundamentally people want someone who is going to even the playing field for workers and that’s something that both groups would appreciate. A large amount of any campaign is going to have to be education about the benefits of unions, public projects, and being a member of your community rather than a shut-in if they want to generate positive buzz. Negative buzz is easy, just call the fascists weak and gross.
Bernie should not run again. He’s great but we need some young blood.
Bernie is too old and he knows it. He’s not gonna run. AOC has a pretty bad favorable to unfavorable ratio nationally. That’s not automatically disqualifying; numbers aren’t set in stone, and a lot could change between now and 2028, but she’s not starting from the same place of broad appeal that Sanders did. As much as I love both of them, we need to look beyond the same two people for progressive candidates.
No. Run AOC
Fuckin should have been the nominee in the first place - him or Sanders.
Not sure of moderates are ok with Sanders. The center and right will keep calling Sanders a socialist and communist.
Who fucking cares? The moderates who were supposed to swoop in and save Kamala pointedly didn’t. Catering towards a fictional segment of the electorate is (demonstrably) a recipe for failure.
You’re right, we should stop try appealing to moderates like Kamala did and just do what’s best for the working class.
That’s the vast majority of what I’m saying.
The moderates who were supposed to swoop in and save Kamala pointedly didn’t.
kamala had 75 million votes, to the 77 million that trump got.
If anybody fucked up the election it was the hardline commies or super aggressive left leaning people that refused to vote for kamala because of whatever silly reason they had.
IDK why people on the internet are willingly this fucking stupid. Evidently looking at the biden results, there were about 7-8 million more votes than kamala received, which is considerably more inline with what you would expect had younger voters actually, well, voted.
You would literally need to be on fucking crack to take anything else away from the results of these recent elections. IF ANYTHING, the obvious answer is that the younger voting block NEEDS to go and vote, because historically, they don’t.
TL;DR if you didn’t already pick this up from basic civics knowledge, the vast majority of the voterbase is going to vote for “whoever is on the ticket this time” that’s why trump even gets traction at all, maybe 10-20% of his voter base actually cares about him in any substantive manner. It’s the same for the dems, 75% of the base is people who will vote for WHOEVER gets put on the primary ticket, some of those are going to be more moderate though, and if you run someone like bernie, they will pull out or switch support, which is one of the risks you take when running a more hardline candidate.
Trump was just able to viciously mobilize his segment of the population against the republican voter base (who are historically known to behave like this)
We do not have this advantage on the dem side, we literally have to mobilize the youth, that’s the ONE thing that can save us.
Voter turnout in these elections was lower than in the 2020 elections
yeah, primarily because you can’t vote by mail in the 2024 election, where as you could in the 2020 election, enfranchising more people to go out and vote, and historically, it’s not republicans that struggle to vote, it’s the democrats.
I still think it was voters showing their protest against the Israeli Genocide. I mean, I voted for Harris, but ffuuuuuuckk, all she had to do was say she’d at least try to find another way other than selling weapons.
i’m not really convinced it was a significant enough margin to outpace the usual no show voter rolls. Historically we’ve had issues with turnout, and when it gets easier, more people vote, when it gets harder less people vote. I really don’t think something that seems to really explicitly mobilize people under the age of 25 and above the age of 18 would be a very significant voter block to begin with. There’s probably more people in there, but you’re talking about people who are ethnically arab, and i wouldn’t necessarily count those as those are going to be opposed to pretty much anything you do in the middle east regarding israel.
Someone would have to do some actual polling or research to find out whether or not it had a significant effect, but i’m betting it wasn’t. It probably had something to do with it, but literally every campaign has these 1% base issues, it’s literally unavoidable.
If everyone voted mainline Trump still would have won the election. Greens got 860000, while the Libertarians got 650000 and RFK got 750000.
Snarks over “basic civics knowledge” in tl:dr longer than actual post.
Rails about the popular vote in a nation using an electoral collage.
Rails about the popular vote in a nation using an electoral collage.
we use both the popular vote, and the electoral vote in presidential elections. Popular vote doesn’t actually contribute to anything other than demonstration public sentiment, very clearly.
The electoral vote primarily fucks with the house and congress, since it’s on the same level, it does also elect the president, but that’s usually irrelevant, as the popular vote generally tracks with that.
left leaning people that refused to vote for kamala because of whatever silly reason they had
we literally have to mobilize the youth, that’s the ONE thing that can save us.
The youth think centrists are useless traitorous war criminal arseholes. You think you can talk down to progressives but somehow get the youth vote? You’re on crack.
Didn’t ‘the youth’ break for trump in historic proportions compared to previous elections? The males, at the very least.
Harris lost 6% of youth (under 30). Largely because dems ignored the economy and jobs concerns, according to NPR. https://www.npr.org/2024/11/07/g-s1-33331/unpacking-the-2024-youth-vote-heres-what-we-know-so-far
Ah, so it wasn’t that they voted more for trump, just that there was a shift towards him from a solidly democrat lean before… and a huge one in terms of males (41% to 56%, looking at that article), like I said?
sort of, this is like running a trial on whether “murder is bad” and being surprised when somebody answers “no” even though it was an option you gave them.
the youth follows the same trends seen in older demographics, but is still consistently dem/left leaning over all. This is nothing new, and i’m not sure why anybody is really talking about it. If anything, the strongest indicator we have for who you vote for is going to be age group, and then minority/ethnic status.
The youth think centrists are useless traitorous war criminal arseholes. You think you can talk down to progressives but somehow get the youth vote? You’re on crack.
yeah, that’s the meme. That’s the problem. People are pretending like it’s the 65 year old life long dem voters that are fucking us over, but it’s realistically going to be the youth, who mostly don’t vote, and when they do, often not productively.
Well, your supposedly existing leftists didn’t achieve even that. I don’t remember where I heard it, but the saying gows something like “Catering towards a fictional segment of the electorate is (demonstrably) a recipe for failure.”
Probably because Harris and Biden succeeded in alienating a group that SHOULD have been a slam dunk for them: Arab-Americans.
And also, they listened to their consultants instead of, you know, normal people. They were too busy jacking themselves off about how “great” the economy was to notice that MOST people in the country are straight up not having a good time.
The Arab-American vote was crucial in Michigan, and they threw that away. And frankly, I’d argue that they alienated a lot more moderate voters by INSISTING the economy was better (failing to realize economy != people’s actual lives) and staunchly defending the status quo on that front.
Ah yes, Arab-Americans, known for their tolerance and feminist ideals, did not turn out for the woman preaching tolerance for all and love for Israel.
To capture a more left leaning audience you are going to have to abandon this notion notoriously conservative and backwards cultures will suddenly be progressive and accepting.
“Have you considered that the people we’re genociding might be kinda problematic?”
Don’t do that
It’s true, why should we try to support a group that fundamentally disagrees and hates a large part of the base? There’s no salvaging such disagreements.
They called Kamala a communist too. It doesn’t fucking matter, they’ll say it about anyone, you can’t be afraid of it.
Moderates can take their own fucking advice for once and vote blue no matter who.
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Bold of him to assume there will be elections in 2028.
Thinking there is going to be a real election in 2028 is the most optimistic thing I’ve heard in a while.
There’s going to be an election, or we’re going to learn the meaning of “All enemies, foreign and domestic”.
More like a Russian/Chinese election.
Bulgarian.
Come on, we all know it’ll be just like the Russian elections.
A Bulgarian election has only one candidate and gets 100%of the votes. It’s from the way Todor Zhikov won the “elections”.
There’s going to be an election but it won’t mean anything because it will be manipulated from the get-go.
I’d vote for him, given that we’re still allowed to vote.
I’ll vote for him in the generals, I will beg other people to vote for him and I will spread the word on his policies, but I’d never vote for him in a million years in a primary. He’s just a republican in a blue tie on certain issues like Palestine.
Personally, I’m hoping Zelensky will run for US president after strong Dien in Ukraine. You might be thinking that someone from another country can’t be president. Well… looks at current situation in White House At least this one would be elected.
I think we need to go with the Zelensky model (comedian-turned-politician) rather than Zelensky proper. My money’s on Jon Stewart and/or Bill Burr.
Burr would be a good choice. I hate to lean hard into identity politics here, but a blue collar aesthetic cishet white guy seems to have a better chance of winning so long as he’s progressive.
Dems have been thinking of it backwards. The center wants vibes, the left wants policies.
Walz was great in 2024. He had enthusiasm and actually answered the interviewers’ questions. I would have preferred the symbolic victory of a black woman president, but I like Walz better as an individual person. I think he could have won if he’d been the presidential candidate. Well, Harris won too, but I mean he could have won even with the voter suppression stealing all those democratic votes.
President Walz and Vice President Cortez is the future we need. But probably not the future we’ll get.
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He was VP. His espoused policy was effectively supporting Harris’. If you look at his record in MN and actually listen to his statements, his native policy positions become pretty clear. I don’t know when your day was, but people have been as politically illiterate as you since the fucking oongaboonga times.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/09/election-tim-walz-electoral-college
I think all of us know, the electoral college needs to go. We need a national popular vote.
Your black woman president actively help sending bombs to kill brown people in gaza. Not to mention all the brown people she fed to the private prison industry.
As a good liberal, you probably think of brown people as human as long as they’re rich and american
Are we playing the accuse people of having political views they don’t have game? Okay okay! My turn!
You’re a posadist. You want to encourage global nuclear war so society will collapse and communist aliens will save us. And I think your ideology is silly and look down on you for following it!
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*Medicine
It’s spelled ‘medecine’ in Dumbfuckistan.
probably. Stupid brits stole words
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How dare you say those things about my mother? I’ll have you know the chemical number for carbon is 6. You’re a fool for believing that vaccines cause autism.
Autism cause vaccine
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I would have preferred the symbolic victory of a black woman.
This is why DEI is getting bitchslapped the fuck off.
And why are planes falling out the sky after they got rid of DEI?
Planes were falling out of the sky way before that. Haven’t you heard of Boeing?
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Okay.
I love this response.
Just for shits and giggles, I’ll try giving an actual argument.
In 2016, Hillary Clinton was right. It was her turn. She won the popular vote. I hate everything about that woman. I hate that she’s part of a dynasty, I hate that she rigged the primaries, I hate that her campaign donated money to Trump because they thought radicalising the right would lead to an easy win.
But she was right. The people did want a woman president, and that’s what they voted for. Walz is a really nice, genial guy. I like him. If he were a woman, I think he’d be a different person, or he’d not be a politician. Because to be a woman in the heart of the patriarchy, you need to be strong. You have to have unbreakable armour with no cracks. If the sexist system is challenged, then maybe the next woman president can be a nice person like Walz. But if we keep on having this system where women have to fight to be taken seriously and then aren’t liked for being fighters, then we’re never gonna have equality.
I don’t really care all that much about how good Harris is with a spreadsheet. Her debate and interview performance is important to me in a primary, not in a presidential election. At that point, I’m thinking about the future. About the girls who are going to become women in government. I want them to have more role models. I care way more about that than if Harris is nice, or if her budget plan is perfect.
I think Harris can be what America needs better than Walz can. Personality is only important in an election, symbolism is important in the white house.
I also love this response.
Thank you!
It’s cute that they think there’s gonna be another election.
He’s got some things going for him. Male. Presumably heterosexual. Caucasian. Old (but perhaps not quite old enough). I say go for it.
Dude, just say “not AOC.”
I hate this persistent belief that much of America is still too racist and sexist to accept a black or woman president. I hate it, even if it may be true.
Unfortunately we see the country as better than it really is, or at least, I DID. After the election I saw how many people wanted to kick people out of the country because they believe immigrants are bad. Then they seem to have no problem with a South African immigrant pulling the strings. Immigrants weren’t the problem with them, but the skin color. We did it before we became a country in the 1600s, and we’ll continue doing it, because we love believing that our skin color makes us superior.
